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Thoughts on the Neck Tie

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I wore a neck tie three days last week and in tying my tie the other day I was considering going from the full windsor knot to the half windsor, or maybe the four in hand.  My dad taught me how to tie a tie several years ago and the knot that he taught, and that he still uses to this day is the full windsor knot, but in recent years I’ve noticed that there are several men of prominence that appear to use the half windsor knot or the four in hand.

The difference between the half windsor and the full windsor, as far as I can tell, is that the half windsor deals with one “loop around” one of the sides of the tie, whereas the full windsor throws another “loop around” into the mix.  The four in hand knot is different all together(see here for an illustration of the differences.).

One of the things I like about the half windsor and four in hand knots are that they are both smaller than the full windsor.  The thing I like about the full windsor is the fact that it is more symetrical than the smaller two knots.

from left to right: Full Windsor Knot, Half Windsor Knot, Four in Hand Knot

from left to right: Full Windsor Knot, Half Windsor Knot, Four in Hand Knot

In watching news coverage of the election the reporters, analysts, and talk show hosts seem to favor the smaller knots.  Take Anderson Cooper for example.

Anderson Cooper

Anderson Cooper

His knot is far too small to be a full windsor knot.  The knot is also slightly asymmetrical, with a slight tilt to Anderson’s right side, indicating that it is not a full windsor.  If we run through the gamut of male newscasters, the smaller knots seem to be the knots of choice.  In fact, in my brief image search I couldn’t find an example of a full windsor wearer.  Matt Lauer, Tom Brokaw, Charles Gibson, Brian Williams, John Stewart, and Steven Colbert all seem to prefer the asymmetrical, smaller knot variants.  Even Charles Osgood seems to wear a half windsor knot when he’s not wearing a bow tie.

Jay Leno, Conan O’Brien and Craig Ferguson all wear the smaller knots.  In watching the news and late night shows, and in doing some online research it appears as though finding a full windsor on television is like getting a Yahtzee…kind of hard to come across, but I think I found a few.

David Letterman and Rob Corddry wearing Full Windsors?

David Letterman and Rob Corddry wearing Full Windsors?

David Letterman seems to wear a full windsor knot on occasion and so does The Daily Show’s Rob Corddry.  Richard Nixon, Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon all seem to have worn full windsor’s back in the day.  That’s about all I was able to find though in my brief search.

The presidential candidates Obama and McCain both appear to go with the smaller knots. A recent article in Newsweek discusses what the choice of knot says about a candidate’s character.  Looking back through photos of past presidents, Ronald Reagan appears to be the last president to wear the full windsor knot.

According to my brief yet very scientific research it certainly seems as though the full windsor knot is out and the smaller half windsor and four in hand knots are the vogue.  Even still, for now I’m sticking with the full windsor.  I think the reason for this is that I like the symmetry present in the full windsor that isn’t there in the smaller knots.  Perhaps this is a sign of a slight OCD within me; maybe I’m old fashion.  At any rate you now catch a glimpse of the goofiness that goes on in my brain.  While you’re listening intently to the election results, news stories, and late night talk shows; I’ve got my eye open for that one analyst that has a full windsor around his neck so that I can secretly yell ‘Yahtzee!’ in my head.

conglomeration of knots

conglomeration of knots

Written by cjcabe

November 4th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

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  1. I have always been fascinated by Ronald Reagan’s necktie know. It seems to be different than the standard full windsor. Would appreciate any instructions or advice on how to replicate Reagan’s knot. Thx.

    Tyro

    25 Nov 08 at 7:20 am

  2. I’m afraid I don’t know anything about Ronald Regan’s knot other than it appearing to be a full windsor. Sorry!

    cjcabe

    25 Nov 08 at 1:10 pm

  3. @Tyro Reagan wore a double windser I believe

    tieguy

    16 Jun 11 at 9:43 am

  4. I’ve been working for a new web design firm and have posted a lot on my blog recently so I know how it feels to have someone come and learn from your experience.

    windsor graphics

    16 Aug 11 at 1:56 pm

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